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	<title>Comments on: SWFK for Python 3</title>
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		<title>By: jrbriggs</title>
		<link>http://www.briggs.net.nz/log/2008/12/10/swfk-for-python-3/comment-page-1/#comment-40587</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 21:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the info... I&#039;m hoping an installer for python 3 will be released shortly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the info&#8230; I&#8217;m hoping an installer for python 3 will be released shortly.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 09:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi There,

Good work!

Reading your installation instructions for py3k I can see three things that would have tripped me up following your installation instructions on my ( Tiger ) mac....

1/ I think safari default download location is ~/Desktop, your steps assume ~/Downloads
2/ DEPLOYMENT_TARGET=10.5 isn&#039;t necessary a given ( Lots of 10.4, 10.3 etc. macs still in circulation ).
3/ It may have changed for newer macs but I needed to explicitly install the dev tools, so ./configure would likely fail with error message not likely to be helpful to newbies.
4/ ( TENTATIVE-untested) Is it safe to assume tkinter/tk is available for the turtle graphics examples?

Debatable how best to resolve, but if it were me, I would maybe more strongly recommend using one of the older editions, and leave the compilation instructions as &#039;for the brave&#039; or something. A lot of people are just going to stop altogether if they hit a problem while correctly following a a list of step-by-step instructions.

Cheers,

A.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi There,</p>
<p>Good work!</p>
<p>Reading your installation instructions for py3k I can see three things that would have tripped me up following your installation instructions on my ( Tiger ) mac&#8230;.</p>
<p>1/ I think safari default download location is ~/Desktop, your steps assume ~/Downloads<br />
2/ DEPLOYMENT_TARGET=10.5 isn&#8217;t necessary a given ( Lots of 10.4, 10.3 etc. macs still in circulation ).<br />
3/ It may have changed for newer macs but I needed to explicitly install the dev tools, so ./configure would likely fail with error message not likely to be helpful to newbies.<br />
4/ ( TENTATIVE-untested) Is it safe to assume tkinter/tk is available for the turtle graphics examples?</p>
<p>Debatable how best to resolve, but if it were me, I would maybe more strongly recommend using one of the older editions, and leave the compilation instructions as &#8216;for the brave&#8217; or something. A lot of people are just going to stop altogether if they hit a problem while correctly following a a list of step-by-step instructions.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>A.</p>
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		<title>By: jrbriggs</title>
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		<dc:creator>jrbriggs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Page 34 is a mistake.  I shouldn&#039;t have changed that to the function print().  I&#039;m changing the other quotes accordingly.  Thanks for pointing those out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Page 34 is a mistake.  I shouldn&#8217;t have changed that to the function print().  I&#8217;m changing the other quotes accordingly.  Thanks for pointing those out.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 01:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great book.

The one change I would make would be to use an initial forward quote when you are giving the Python syntax for a string literal in the text as opposed to using an initial open quote (backquote) when you are quoting text:
p34 &quot;print(`Hello&#039;)&quot; -&gt; &quot;print(&#039;Hello&#039;)&quot;, since the quotes here refer to Python syntax rather than quoting text
Similarly
p34 &quot;print(`Goodbye&#039;)&quot;
p38 &quot;between 10 and `10&#039;&quot;
p38 &quot;set to `10&#039; (note the quotes)&quot;
and possibly others
The last mentioned one is especially important since you explicitly ask the reader to look at the quotes.

Note in contrast that p35 &quot;you should see `Hello&#039;&quot; is perfectly fine since the quote marks are quoting what is printed, not referring to Python syntax for strings</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great book.</p>
<p>The one change I would make would be to use an initial forward quote when you are giving the Python syntax for a string literal in the text as opposed to using an initial open quote (backquote) when you are quoting text:<br />
p34 &#8220;print(`Hello&#8217;)&#8221; -&gt; &#8220;print(&#8216;Hello&#8217;)&#8221;, since the quotes here refer to Python syntax rather than quoting text<br />
Similarly<br />
p34 &#8220;print(`Goodbye&#8217;)&#8221;<br />
p38 &#8220;between 10 and `10&#8242;&#8221;<br />
p38 &#8220;set to `10&#8242; (note the quotes)&#8221;<br />
and possibly others<br />
The last mentioned one is especially important since you explicitly ask the reader to look at the quotes.</p>
<p>Note in contrast that p35 &#8220;you should see `Hello&#8217;&#8221; is perfectly fine since the quote marks are quoting what is printed, not referring to Python syntax for strings</p>
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